Thread:Luxartisan/@comment-27869316-20200604134130/@comment-27869316-20200611052721

Before I respond, did you see my response to your comment on my content & permissions blog the other day? If not here it is because it is extremely relevant to everything I'm about to say/this conversation as a whole.

I'll be blunt and say straight up I'm particularly resolute about this issue, just as I am about the series punctuation, and if anything the rationale you just gave has made me more adamant. Not only am I myself a rookie translator for the past several years, but I am good friends with and work very closely with translators for other series and wikis I'm involved in. As such, I know extensively their feelings about certain issues when it comes to not only their own translation work but translating content as a whole.

-Firstly, the vast majority of translators layout their translations posts in the exact same manner I try and arrange article names and article content; which is to say Romaji title as the post header followed by the kanji title and the english translation in brackets underneath the romaji. Depending on the nature of the material being translated they will then also provide the original kanji used, followed by the romaji, and then the translation last. This is to follow the order of officially given information (kanji) first -> followed by unofficial translation with little room for error (romaji) -> with the content that is considered the most ambiguous and up for interpretation (english) last. As such, we are not "picking and choosing" or rejecting their translation as the info is still being presented very clearly on the page, it's simply a matter of priority and consistent categorization.

-Pretty much every translator I know refers to the content by its romaji title as they explicitly know that its what the majority of the fan base are going to know and refer to it as. This is also because they recognise that in all likelihood they are not the only person to have translated the material and in most cases their respective translations will not be identical so referring to the less ambiguous romaji is less confusing.

-If we were to follow your system of using the English titles how do you propose we fairly decide which translation to go with? Do we go with the translator who grants permission first? The one who releases/released the translated content first? What if new material was released and I were to translate the title myself but then someone at a later date releases the content fully translated but they have a conflicting translation for the title?

-Lastly, you say you want to honor the translator and do not want to disrespect them by how we use their translations but you have yourself admitted that you were using their translated content without waiting for them to expressly grant you permission. Yes, translators do not like people meddling with their content (this mostly relates to rewording things however), but using their content without their blessing is by far the most disrespectful action in their eyes. Luckily in this case Usagi's Playplace already granted us permission when I messaged them on tumblr early last year, but you were unaware of this fact when you chose to use their work on here.

I too would like to come up with a mutually acceptable solution, however at this point if neither of us is able to persuade the other we may have to contact Ty as our manager to be a neutral point in this discussion.

-Fox 05:27, June 11, 2020 (UTC)